ס'איז אלץ בלאף. דאס איז נישט סאטמאר
בעלזאחסידיםסאטמארקרית יואל
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.....וואס די סאטמורים האבען אמאל געשריבען וועגן דעם בעלזער רב
דער עולם החסידות איז אויף רעדער! ס'טייטש? דער בעלזער רב האט געשיקט א מנין אידן - ובראשם שמעון וואלף דער גבאי - און נישט סתם אידן, נאר דיינים טאקע, דאס שענסטע און דאס בעסטע פון בעלז, און זיי געהייסען איבערבעטען בשמו דעם סאטמאר רב, בעל הויואל משה זצ"ל, אויף דעם וואס פאר 30 יאר צוריק האט זיך דער ב"ר אויסגעדרוקט אין א נישט-שיינעם אופן אויפ'ן סאטמאר רב. דאס איז דער לעצטער טריט וואס איז נאך פארבליבען אויף צו מאכען שלום מיט זיין שוואגער, דער סאטמאר רבי פון קר"י, ר' אהרן טייטלבוים, און אזוי מיט חסידי סאטמאר בכלל. דאס אז אין סאטמאר איז פארהאן נאך א גרופע וואס איז נישט אונטערטעניג צום רבי'ן ר' אהרן, דאס איז א פראגע וואס קיינער האט נאך נישט דער ענטפער דערצו... "כל הכבוד צו דער סאטמאר רב", שרייט מען, "אזא איש השלום!" דער גרעסטער רבי אויף דער וועלט. אנדערע גיבען גאר קרעדיט צו דער בעלזער רב און זאגען אז טאמער איז ער ביז היינט נישט דער מערסטע מוצלח'דיגע רבי איז ער יעצט אוודאי! נישט נאר האט ער פסיכעלאגען אין זיינע חדרים און ישיבות, ער מאכט שלום אויך! העפי דעיז אר היער אגען. איז נישט נאר דאס; די סאטמורים זעהען אויס בעסער און בעסער פון טאג צו טאג, זיי ווארפען אראפ פון זיך דער אלטער לעיבעל פון שלעכטע מענטשען און זענען יעצט אנשי שלום. מ' רופט ר' מיכל זעלבער צו כ"א כסלו פארדיס און מ' פארט אין חב"ד אין פאלם ספרינגס. והאמת והשלום אהבו. נישט אז מ'אפרישיעט נישט די אלע גוטע זאכען וואס מ'טוט.
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א טראפ'קעלע דרך ארץ פאר'ן בעלזער רב ווייזען זיי נישט ארויס דא מיט'ן צעטל
וויל אייך דעמאלט זאגען אז דעם ציג קען מען נישט פארקויפען קיין הייסע לאקשען, ער עסט דאס נישט. ווער איז ער צו מאכען שלום בכלל? ווער דארף דען דיין שלום? וועם איז אנגעגאנגען די מחלוקת בכלל? ווער גלייבט דען אז דער שלום איז לש"ש? וואס וועט זיין פונעם שלום? נישט אז איך וויל ווייטער אנפירען מיט מחלוקת, ח"ו, נאר איך פארשטיי נישט די גרויסע שמחה בכלל! וואס איז ס"ה דא געשעהן? דער וואס האט לדעתם פוגע געווען אין סאטמאר רב'ס כבוד איז נישט געפארען צום ציון, ער האט געשיקט שלוחים. וואס איז מיט'ן "מצוה בו יותר מבשלוחו?" קען מען דען יוצא זיין דער חיוב אזוי? נאכאמאל, דאס מיינט נישט צו זאגען אז ער האט א חיוב פיוס בכלל.פארוואס זאל איינער וועלכע מ'האט פארשעמט פאר 30 יאר אין די גאסען - כפשוטו - דארפען איבערבעטן דער וואס זיינע מענטשען האבען עס געטוהן? צו דער וואס איז מכריז פאר' די וועלט אז ער איז דער ממלא מקום? איז שטיי און שטוין! וואו איז די שכל פונעם המון עם? וואו איז דער עם חכם ונבון אין די פרשה? פארוואס זעהט מען נישט דאס וואס איז קלאר ווי דער טאג?
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און וואס איז מיט'ן צד שני אין סאטמאר? זיי דארף מען נישט איבערבעטן? זיי זענען זיך אינגאנצען מתעלם פונעם מחילה בעטען און פירען יעצט אהן ווייטער די מלחמה. דער רשע און עוכר ישראל מנשה פולאפ האט די וואך געפרעדיגט אין א העצע רעדע קעגן בעלז איבער 9 מינוט און האט זיי גערופען "מסיתים ומדיחים" און "משכילים" און נאך ארגער. זעהט אויס אז זיי נעמען נישט אהן די מחילה. איז וואס טויג אונז אזא שלום?אז איר גלייבט נישט און האט 9 מינוט צו מבטל זיין הערט אויס ווי פולאפ איז פוער פיו ווי דער נידערטרעכטיגע יונג וואס ער איז. דאס איז סאטמאר! דאס איז וואס מיר האבען געהערט אלע יארען וועגן סיי וועלכע קרייז וואס איז נישט געפעלען פאר סאטמאר. טאמער זענען די בריונים מוחל אויף דעם וואס די בעלזער האט זיך און זיין דרך און זיינע פעטערס און זיידעס פארטיידיגט וועט מען קענען גלייבן אז מ'זוכט צו מאכען שלום. ביז דאן איז עס גארנישט מיט ווידער נישט. וואס מ'זעהט היינט בראשית ר' אהרן פון קרית יואל איז לדעתי נישט סאטמאר. ס'איז א פארוואסערטע נאכמאכונג וועלכע האט פארלוירען דעם מהות און איז נאר דומה צום ארגינעלן. סאטמאר
אהן קנאות און שעלטעריי איז קיין סאטמאר נישט! אזוי זאגט די ציג! וועם עס געפעלט נישט קען זיל טרעפן א נייע ציג.
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ווען איך וואלט געווען א בעלזער חסיד וואלט איך זיך געשעמט מיט דעם גאנצען צערעמאניע וואס איז דא פארגעגאנגען. מיין רבי האט דעמאלסט ס"ה זיך אנגענומען פאר זיינע הייליגען פעטער זצוק"ל, וועמענס מאנען די סאטמורים האבען אין יענע צייטען שוין 30 יאר געשלעפט אין די מאראסט. ער האט אים נישט פורס בשם געוועהן. ער האט נישט אנגעשמירט קיינע גאסען מיט מיאוס'ע גראפיטי כמנהג סאטמאר. ער האט סה"כ געזאגט א ווארט צוויי וועגן שטאפ-גענז. שוין. איך אליין וואלט עס נישט געזאגט. זייט ווען איז דער סאטמארער קהילה און עדה החרדית דער יורש פון רבינו החת"ם סופר איז מ'דארף זיי איבערבעטן ווען מ'טשעפעט זיך מיט'ן חת"ס? דער בעלזער אליין איז דאך א האלבער אונגארישער מצד אמו תליט"א. טאמער וויל ער און טאמער שפירט ער זיך נייטיג, קען ער פארען קיין פרעשבורג און דארט איבערבעטען.ער איז פונקט אזא בר דעה אויף אונגארישקייט און חת"ם סופר'קייט ווי די אנשי סאטמאר. די סיגעטער קינדער זענען קיינמאל נישט געפארען לערנען אין פרעשבורג, זיי איז גוט געווען אהן די חת"ם סופר ותלמידין אויך, טא וואס ווערן זיי אזוי צוקראצט פון די פאר ווערטער וואס דער ב"ר האט ארויסגעלאזט פון מויל?
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מנשה פולאפ אין לאנדאן לעצטנס פרעדיגט קעגן בעלזא
Sorry for using a Holocaust analogy, but it's like Paris 1940, when AH dragged out the same railroad car that the Germans were forced to sign the Treaty of Versailles, and forced the French to sign their surrender there. That's what the "Bakoshas Mechilleh" ceremony here looked like. The only way to make this worse was if the Satmar Rebbe himself was there to "accept the apology." Thank G-d they didn't do that. If I was a Belzer Chossid I'd be terribly embarrassed and ashamed. No matter what I thought of my Rebbe and no matter how much I love Belz and stand up for its honor. What he did back in 1982 was to defend his uncle's honor. In no way was he beholden to the Eida HaChareidis, just like his uncle decided to deny the kanoyim when they requested/demanded that he wear the Jerusalem garb. He could have his own Beis Din and Kashrus system if he so pleases. Now he embarrassed his holy uncle all for his own silly ego, and to please their wives, probably. His and Teitelbaum's. Such an inferiority complex he has? The Satmar Rebbe himself couldn't understand why his shvogger wants so much to meet with him and to make peace. I fail to see what the reason for celebration is here.
Sorry.
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שו"ע סי' תר"ו ס"ה שרייבט דער תניא:
ואם מת מי שפשע כנגדו מביא עשרה בני אדם ומעמידם על קברו ואומר בפניהם, חטאתי לאלקי ישראל ולפלוני זה שפשעתי כנגדו, וצריך שילך לשם יחף.
ואם הוא חוץ לשלש פרסאות מן קברו אינו צריך לילך בעצמו לשם אלא ישלח שלוחו שיבקש ממנו מחילה בעבור השולחו בפני עשרה בפני אדם.
אין ס"ו שרייבט דער תניא בזה הלשון:
ואם חרפו לאחר מיתה אינו צריך לילך על קברו אלא מבקש ממנו מחילה במקום שביישו.
No public move was made with either faction. Even though this forgiveness pilgrimage came on the behind-the-scenes request of R’ Aaron of Satmer, the same request would have been made by any Satmer rabbi, who would feel obligated to defend the honor of its patriarch, just like Belzer rebbe was compelled to do 30 year a ago.
And I’m sure Belze rebbe will be extending a hand to any Satmer faction, to the primitive Stone Agers as well as to the refined and civilized ones (paraphrasing you, Tzig). It is up to each Satmer rebbe to decide whether he wishes to reciprocate or not. But the last 24 hours we so developments onfolding between the current Belz rebbe and the Satmer rebbe R' Yoel. That's it.
But what I don’t understand, Tzig, is that in your last post you mock Meah Sheorim and Beis Shemesh as backward. In this post, you’re grumpy with Satmer for being watered down and civilized. You’re accusing Belz in being too polite and savvy on diplomacy. Your purism is puzzling, I’d say.
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And who are you exactly if not a פוער פיו in one vein on the same day to belittle true gedoli yisruel: Reb Ahorn RAK! Rav Weiss! And yes Menashe Philip! He to is a talmid cuchim and yirei shumayim! סוכ"ס all he says is what the holy RYT his rebbe! said thousands of times! 70 true gedoli yisruel + rav wosner in a separate letter vouch that the belzer ber is an apikoris!
כל המבזה תלמיד חכם אין לו רפואה למכתו
SR z"l writes:
כל מחלוקת שהיא לשם שמים, סופה להתקיים. ושאינה לשם שמים, אין סופה להתקיים
איז דער פשט
That a מחלוקה שהיא לשם שמים the מחלוקה will last! And the fractions will not make peace with them! ושאינה לשם שמים the מחלוקה will not last and the fractions will make peace !!!
My advice tzig stay in the lubab slide..! where your opinions are welcome, or in the similar but different camp by the litvakes..! Stay out of satmar! you have no clue what satmar is!!!
The vid is of Zalman Leib Philip you're cursing Menashe Philip ?
מתוך כעסך בא לידי טעות?
ברכות כט ב: לא תרתח ולא תחטי
+ rav wosner in a separate letter vouch that the belzer ber is an apikoris!- source please
The Belzer is scoring major points by the masses for the "Great Kiddush Hashem", for his "Great Humility", for his "Great Wisdom".
In the eyes of the masses its quite simple. Satmer Rebbe Zatzal was great Tzaddik, Belzer Rebbe (who the masses anyway believe is always progressive) humiliated himself to ask mechilah. The masses have forgiven him, they will forever remember "The Gadlus of Belzer Rebbe", Pesach Krohn and the Hamodia will have this in a permanent template on any article regarding Belz. And the Rebbes fundraising operation will increase by 15 percent.
Plus he gained a bigger shiduchim pool for his constituents. Plus hechsheirim, his chasidim can actually begin eating kosher again, plus he can farm out his poskim, mechanchim, psychologists to new territories.
Tzig, when someone scores a good shot you need to have the decency to give them the credit they deserve.
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The issue with the belzer bear דוב שובב שלא קרא ולא שנה, ופוסע על ראשי עם קדוש is not about their desecrating the holy name of the chasam sofer or from RYT z”l! Yes, this bear likes to make himself the center of attention! But No “it’s not about him” Belz סר מן הדרך 60+ years ago! The torch of uncompromised יודישקייט before WWII was belz!, that they loosed to RYT! read Satmar after WWII when the belzer slide started! To be relevant their butlers (gaboim) manipulated the old blind reb aron z”l and made him to indorse anything what’s against the SR! And with that to stay relevant! Times have changed and belz became an empty suit standing for nothing! ok they are עוסק בפרי' ורבי' but so does others so numbers doesn’t matter anymore, to stay relevant this Bear is using bombastic statements of shouts and twists from time to time, political mechanisms, turns 360 degrees when necessary, flip flops like a bear when needed, with no shame or guilt just to confuse his prey! He did so on numerous occasions and when the conned woke up that this is the old bear with new tricks! He is content with his deceive and starts again with his binges…, and flops back to his agenda of haskala! Hoping that his maneuvers are not becoming transparent!
! BEWARE OF THE BEAR HE IS DANGEROUS!
והבער ריק אין בו מים, אבל נחשים ועקרבים יש בו
I have a copy of the letter.
עמך אנכי בצרה but I think once the dust settles the Belzer will come out better and the more Aron rubs the Belzer's nose in the more vindictive he will come to look.
The Ruv ain't gonna change and if he can present himself as a peacemaker in his golden age so much the better. Once the summit takes place (I hear Aron's in Israel for Shabbos Shirah) I'm sure Belz will trump him. The few wimps behind Aron's chair are no match for the Belzer's Shimen Volf and the rest. Moshe Friedman efsher but not that lot.
And as for the Satmarer's famous thugs they're all on facebook these days chasing Beis Rochel girls and if not they're fighting each other so I doubt they'll be contributing too much.
P.s. Whoa, I never though of myself as a conspiracy theorist but it seems that this time I hit it on its head!
Stay where you are, facebook the place for Ende Tsadik'm.
Even if Belz had their shkotzim they also had their serious talmidei chachomim like the Tarnopoler Rov, the Tshbiner Rov and countless others whereas the world is still waiting for a single world-class talmid chochom to emanate from Satmar. And of course no Belzer Rebbe would ever put his name to the trash that is Va'Yoel Moshe.
My advice, Keep your day job!
The after shock.. between belz and satmar came when the berich moshe went to visit this bear thinking that he is sincere in bringing back the old belz, when the berich moshe realized he was deceived he almost annihilate him with his strong action against him! I suspect this may happen again! Although as you mentioned this aron rebbe may be subdued by than c"v!
On the other hand the watch out when a subdued paper tiger wakes up!
ימש"ו
why is it so difficult to say פסיכאלאג?
Reb Menashe or Reb Zalman Leib, both are saying what they heard from their rebbe! משנה תורה: אל יאמר דבר שלא שמע מרבו and you’re saying what your rebbe heard from his rebbes Hildesheimer and Sorbonne . ראו מה בין בני לבין בן-חמי
don't pin this on RYT
why when he came to the Tzion do you say he asked forgivness to 1 side of satmar only.
Unless you know something we dont. all he did was going to the Kever of Reb Yolish and Beirach Moishe.
Klainer kup, as of now AT didn't do anything wrong (neither the belzer) and didn't reciprocate yet, assumptions aside, so as hirshel says hold up your פסיכאלאג'ן
besides
זענען זיי בכלל געווען ביים ברך משה? האבען זיי זיך בכלל אויסגעדרייט אהין? און וואס איז מיט'ן רביצין?
They went to Reb Yoilish only. The Beirach Moshe barely registers in Satmar so mikolshken in Belz.
Menashe is an עוכר ישראל שעתיד ליתן את הדין
And who is asking your opinion at the בי"ד של מעלה ??? I have never see you saying it on a certified עוכר ישראל like KOOK!
זצ"ל האט קיינעם נישט בארעדט
פון א טעות ווערט מען נישט קיין עוכר ישראל
מנשה קומט נישט צו זיינע געשניטענע נעגל
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כל המבזה תלמיד חכם אין לו רפואה למכתו"
Did Menashe ever write a torah piece that is not polemic?
in all his pieces his learning lekanter veien loi trufa lemaakosoi.
All his teaching jobs in satmar oriented yeshivahs lasted a week or two. He could not explain a little hilchas shabos question of a bochur.
Eventough this yeshivas were from the extreme faction of Satmar.
Don't sell us a Megale punim Betorah sheloi Kehalocha as a talmid chochem
I'll think about it. Meanwhile take a look at all the bipolar bear 'jokes' and you'll see what i meant when i said Metimtumim. The Belzer (Berele if you wish) made an awesome political move which makes him a winner, Aron a loser and Zalman Lieb'n a naar. he should run for president.
Today,There are no pusichalogen available. They are all at Belz helping them deal with the trauma.
I guess he feels now that the way he spoke about RY"T and how he handled the fight was wrong and he decided that he wants to apologize before he dies and since he can't make the trip he had 10 people go for him מה כל הרעש?
Why are you trying to make it for a political statement or chess move and you quote The Satmare Rebbe that he couldn't understand why his shvogger wants so much to meet with him! I hope it's not a true quote but even if it is he his guilty with the same חטא as you
This guy is just trying to do תשובה and ask forgiveness for what he thinks he did wrong
it's not a reason to celebrate and it's not a reason to be ashamed
He was the de facto Belzer chosid , from the smetene that belz had even in the utopian world of the pre war yoshvim.
The Chazon ish was in awe of his torah,He was the greatest Matikie shemua that Belz had to offer.
Just look in his shmussen that are printed.
His kever is not far from his vacation home in Cesseria.
He was physically thrown out of the yeshiva building that he build, like a dog.
It all happened when The Ruv went for vacation in Swiss and his goons with Yankel Bronner as the leader, started throwing metal chairs. And Reb Shulen ran for his life.
It all reminds me,of a famous Rebbe in Hungary, who was constantly fighting his fellow rebbes and rabunim, with curses
etc..
Once he started a new fight with Rav Y Z Duschinsky, His advisors told him Rebbe.. it is a little too much, we can not fight with the whole universe,
so he send a delegation to beg for forgiveness,
Rav Duschinsky asked the delegation,,Are you people traveling like this, Meyir Leyir Umikefar Lekfar.....
I love these satmorim who are always "posel b'mumayhon".
bizuy tamiday chachomim??! who has done this par excellance over the last 60 years?
But of course! first you make the talmid chuchim "ois t"C" & then you have free rein..
He never had to get up and talk on the Satmar Ruv by name.
The Klausenburger ruv who was maligned by the Satmar Cannibals on a personal level, they threw manure on him,The poured water on his erev pesach matzohs, after his holy avodas hashem of hours baking a few matzohs.
But he cried and spoke about it by his torah, but never mentioned a name.
So was the Lubavicher Rebbe handling these cannibals, never mentioned a name in public or in a letter.
The Satmar ruv never mentioned his enemy list by name, even there are tapes that leaked of his private conversations, that he curses his enemies aggressively, but it was private.
This is called professional leadership.
But he was juvenile 30 years ago, and juvenile with the mechila beten..
After seeing klausenberg and satmar get together, he figured why not me. that war was far more vicious and personal and they buried the hatchet, so if all it takes is sending a minyan to the kever, go for it. the mechila was not for making a BD, it was for some words spoken at the "shtayendike toirah".
The bottom line is the belzer is in a much stronger position today than the either satmar. he's got a powerhouse chassidus, yungeleit helping each other with parnossah, a solid chinuch system, the lowest dropout rate in chareidi circles, so this is a minor nuisance to him.
"The bottom line is the belzer is in a much stronger position today than the either satmar. he's got a powerhouse chassidus, yungeleit helping each other with parnossah, a solid chinuch system, the lowest dropout rate in chareidi circles, so this is a minor nuisance to him."
its a myth..
abdication of the Belzer throne coming soon.
80 percent Reb Yisocher Dov will be rebbe, 20 percent Reb yehoshua. RYD is not in the rebisteve mood all the time anyway.
So far Elish want more percentage, but the negotiations are on the table,
Shimon Volf is working very hard
I heard it from total ousiders with no ax to grind. most observers will say he's not a kodosh v'tohor, but he's definitely a gr8 community organizer. most of his yungeleit have parnossah, and he's got a system to deal with bochurim vos halten nisht beim lernen. it's not nirvana, and i'm sure there's major issues inside. but he's leap years ahead of everyone in dealing with today's 2 biggest challenges in the frum world.
פון דיין מאהל צי ג-טס אויערן
וואס גייט דיר אהן אז ער בלייבט רבי?
Didn't you just abdicated him? for me he wasn't and isn't and never will be! a rebbe, but a real פוער פיו whom over 70 זקני ת"ח וצדיקים, מסלתה ומשמנה פון יהדות החרידות האבן מחרים גיווען, ואין רפואה למכתו
"'ואין רפואה למכתו
you are a kofer in chazal, the shulchan orech writes in hilchas yom kippur, that there is a way to ask Mechila from a shochen offer, and he followed, dont follow the path of your brothers, who let their Kanuois go to their head
Take it easy, he was put in cherim as a kofer! by 70+ זקני ת"ח וצדיקיםthey can abdicate him! he can't forgive himself!
כל הפורש מן המינות מיד מיית - ח"ו
"Take it easy, he was put in cherim as a kofer! by 70+ זקני ת"ח וצדיקיםthey can abdicate him! he can't forgive himself! "
can you bring me some halachic sources, trhat a kol koreh has some halachicic value.
I told you a shulchan orech, you answered me with some signed pashkevil.. that was forced upon most of the signators out off the Vodisloiver and the holy Birech Moshe thay was in cherem by the Rebettzin and the Sharmasher.
Is torah dictaing you ? or the yoshvie keronas of Lee cor Ross?
I am no Belzer chosid, but y r u adding Chas Vesholem to the chazal, if it is applicable then let him die, and if not then you are cursing a Odem Beyisroel
maybe so but still an idiot.
To this day, the echt Chaim Berliners have not forgiven the Belzer Rebbe -- even though a couple of them like the Golds and the Biegeleisens hold "dual Belz-Chaim Berlin nationality" -- no matter, the anash Chaim Berliners especially CB president Avrohom Fruschthandler and Rav Yonoson David the PY rosh yeshiva hold Belz and the Belzers in deep contempt and have never forgiven the Belzer Rebbe for his "crimes" against them.
The CB people favor Satmar going back to the days of Rav Yitzchok Hutner's respect for the first Satmar Rebbe, Rav Yoel, and continued by the friendship and admiration that Rav Aron Schechter shows to both the feuding present Satmar brothers Rebbes, Rav Aharon and Rav Zalman Leib Teitelbaum, and treats them both with equal respect.
The Belzer Rebbe is trying to have his cake and eat it too. On the one hand he "makes peace" with the Israeli government bringing a minister to hear his "plea for peace" and on the other hand he makes moves to "make peace" with that part of Satmar he has access to through his wife's sister Rav Aharon Teitelbaum's wife the daughters of the Bnai Brak Viznitzer Rebbe.
One thing is for sure, Rav Zalman Leib Teitelbaum Satmar Rebbe of Williamsburg is still at war with the Belzer Rebbe, as can be heard: מהר"י מסאטמר נגד דברי האדמו"ר מבעלזא"היריבות ארוכת השנים בין חסידות סאטמר ובעלזא נראה
שעולה מדריגה, זאת לאחר דברים שאומר
מסאטמר, שמגיב על דברי האדמו"ר מבעלזא שליט"א. " (ladaat.net) and this can only please the CB crowd that has never made peace with the Belzers for robbing them of the first location where they wanted to build Yeshiva Pachad Yitzchok.
Elaborate please, worst than kook? worst than most rebbes? worst than ponovitz? after all where is his Megale punim ? other than the usual zionishe babel!
Are you implying that the ber בער
is a ת"ח ? for real??
"Are you implying that the ber בער
is a ת"ח ? for real??"
Your stupid name calling, dont add anything to an adult discussion,
I dont see why hirshel does not delete, it brings down the level of his blog
A groisser yasher koiach R Hershel for this great service.
You should be gebentched.
ע"ז כו: המינים ואפיקורסים מורידין ולא מעלין
הרמב"ם
ראה צורך להיות בקיא בעניני עבודה-זרה ואפיקורסות הנהוגים בדורו
Yea, I'm asking the same question ?
THe current belzer is the son of the biligilyer ruv, whom the belzers hated and tortured him with unspeakable acts, so why is he not calling himself ביליגער רב"י and will have peace for the next 40 years.
ע"ז דף יד
מסכת עבודה זרה דאברהם אבינו ארבע מאה פרקי הויין
The SR said that today not even 4000 פרקים would be enough.
According to the seforim חניפה is a greater sin then לה"ר and much more people are נכשול by it! So why all this hoopla on לה"ר only! when not even one sefer yet was written on חניפה only! what's behind it??
Der Airmonter.
true, but I can't be a cesspool either. It's enough we're doing what we do.
One thing at a time, please!
You are posting a קו"ק קעגן בעלזא from about 30 years ago! I knew most of them if not all, truly בגוז"מ most of where ארזי הלבנון אדירי התורה בעלי תריסין במשנה ובגמרא read it an you will see they write the same thing as this מנשה הגדול says on the video, what a חוצפה from a blogger to call such a person with derogatory names! Don’t you have any shame? I mean אדרבה tell us what did he said anything different than these גדולי עולם didn't say? Is it you can't reach them so you're acting out on their messenger??? And what about לה"ר ? where are all does לה"ר police when we need them why don't they speak up!???
“In the end, there will be only one Ingarische Chassidishe rebbe left: Der Airmonter.”
You mean Lipa !?
For one, they locked him up in a hospital room where their was a woman/nurse alone inside to proof that he is נחשד , Unfortunately he had to jump out the window, which he did!!
אטו רוכלי נינהו
It's a dirty job but someone has to do it no? I mean after all when this belzer became rebbe he asked his chasidim to start learning ספרי מהר"ל not gemorah and chsidishe seforim, so they can be versed in דרכי השכלה and from there a leap into treif השכלה you can see it in their arguments always and in their publications, Don't you think someone has to call him and 'them' on that!
The funny and absurd thing, they called him a mamzer! (although he was a brother from reb Ahorn..) but when the bear became rebbe they wrote on him that he is a בנש"ק !!!
Of course I do, Don't you ?
Belzers aren't the most forward thinking bunch
Who called him a mamzer? Anywhere in writing?
I mean a יניק of barely 20 years לא קרא ולא שנה anywhere and anything (they trew him out from zelem cheder on bedford ave) is asking to learn his אפרוחים nothing else than ספרי מהר"ל I knew than where he and they are heading!
Why, You don't believe me?
A טפּוש learning מהר"ל is worse than before he learned?
ראשית חכמה הוא יראת ה׳
הכתוב אומר, ה׳ יהיב חכמה לחכימא
Not one Belzer on this blog? It would make sense as they have no interest in anything except Belz.
When before zelem or after? If they where so good why send him away zelem? (zelem wasn’t up to par does days) And after zelem he was tainted already… BTW he threw out most “Old Belzer Chasidim” when he became rebbe, and the ones he left where like him and like his father…
They have more of a future with aron mortches son, who mishpacha mag said is goint to get engaged this year, than lubabs have...
and not one satmerer either.
That's painful, and what's more painful that lubab's don't even know what kind of future they want... והבן כי קצרתי
joke? right?
You don't make from בעלזער יושבים maskilim overnite! But they came a long way..
"The SR said that today not even 4000 פרקים would be enough"
he said alot of hype statements, add this to the list
How do you know, Did they tell you, do you have it writing? and if you do (from 1 or 2) did anything changed in the facts they write about than? most are dead
אין משיבין אחר הארי המת
בעלז וועט זיין אין ווינקל where they belong!
You can't take ingereseher kep and make them into maskilim. Nisht meglech
"For one, they locked him up in a hospital room where their was a woman/nurse alone inside to proof that he is נחשד , Unfortunately he had to jump out the window, which he did!!
אטו רוכלי נינהו"
its a lie,its a lie it is a rumor fabricated in Sands street.There is no comunity that has such a powerfull PR lying manufacturing going on.
When he came back from his European visit of Tishre , he was very sick, he went straight to hospital and he was niftar on Cheshvan , he could not move no where.
As a Satmar chosid with a large dirtbag of Rozele, Bier Moshe,Atzie chaim, Reb chaimel of Satmar, etc... I would have a little decencey to bug out of other family rifts.
very funny, you should make a book of all satmar hype! probably you will wind up re-rinting ALL OF HIS SEFORIM, which to you they will sound all hype!
But aron sure would love to send a minyan to zalis kaiver
But aron sure would love to send a minyan to zalis kaiver
I don't think they are jealous, But rather scared.
ויירא יעקב מאד, יעקב אבינו בהאי פחדא הוה יתיב שמא יגרום החטא
Did you ? as mentioned the stated reasons they gave in this קו"ק was and is valid so it really doesn't matter what kids say or don't say, maybe their kids will deny what they said, so does it matter? besides:
אין משיבין אחר הארי המת
There is no seforim from him, so IDK what you talking about, besides there are many chsidishe yiden from belz in satmer! maybe not in the vinkel! some where יושבי ראשונה במלכות like ר' ישראל בריעף, יפ"ה פר"מ ז"ל the envy of the chasidishe yiden
duh.. did you hear of Belz?
Who knew that Mahral is a subversive Maskilik work? This is the genious of this blog! Amazing what primtives lurk here.”
Just like many chasidishe seforim are philosophical (but not philosophy as we know it) if you know what I mean… the same with the ספרי מהר"ל but in haskala thought! I’ll not elaborate here… and I’ll leave it at that (for now), and let you be the cuchem. Oh, BTW correct your primitive spelling its Genius!
SR was against an התאחדות הקהילותhere in America as in Europe! he settled for an התאחדות הרבנים not קהילות so when the rabunim are gone there is no more התאחדות exactly as was intended! of course when a new generation decides it can have a new התאחדות הרבנים "a meeting of minds" , which can still happen when the dust settles.
Or bad, just like דקדוק it was good and than it became badalthough IDK about biology if there is any (torah) good in it.
par for the course for these people...
nothing is sacred, even what they claim is
למיימינים בה - סמא דחיי, למשמאילים בה - סמא דמותא
But as a proper mainstream belzer and knowing the roov for nearly 40 years, all the ruv needs is his way. He wanted a separate kehile, shchite, moisdes, newspaper, hechsher etc.
All these he wanted because he has a very unique attitude and opinion (kemiven, yesh dorshim lishvach, veyesh dorshim lignay), and he wanted his fingerprints on his oylem. And, if they wanted it too, iz vos ken zeyn besser?
The mechile story doesn't interest him in the least! If he's got all he wanted, vos shtert eym ibeberbeyten?
Men ken nisht avekmachen that he is certainly a very original and unconventional rebbe, and therefore people that don't know him can be very mistaken when they try to analyze him. Ki loy machshevos she'ar rebbes machshevoysov, and lav davke for good. But thats his nature, and it is quiet interesting.
He never molds into the classical frame of thought, be it hachzores shtochim, joining the left in israeli elections, psychology, and multiple other issues.
I have no doubt that he still has some more surprises up his sleeve.
And he is not getting it!
In all true Belz did what they did because there was no other choice! The war on the chareidim is just starting up, segregated buses, sidewalks, elevators, girls schools for sefardim and ashkenasim etc. etc. is just foreplay of what’s really coming!!! Which is Yeshvah Boys will must join the army! (Which is more like a melting pot)!!! And than frum Girls in the army will follow! (which they will ready to die for c”v) Changing the curriculum in the yeshivas and boys schools !!! Learning Hebrew/ivrit and secular studies! etc. etc., all the above are already Laws in the books of Israel, Just weren’t enforced until now! The chareidim will try to fight first, by not excepting any monies to their schools and kolleim, that will make them penniless and will have to rely on handouts from the Diaspora, than by mass protests in land and in the Diaspora!!! But all efforts will not help!? They the Israelis are determent this לקעקע ביצתן של החרידים
This is a scary scenario! But this was always the goal from the Israelis from day one! The only hold back was from the mass protesting from overseas! They feel now One, that the overseas protesting is not as strong and sincere as before hence Satmar rav RYT is gone, and Second they feel that they got a signal from America that the crackdown will be welcome, hence HRD protest recently against segregation in Israel , Although I feel that the Americans are duping them! And want real freedom for the chareidim only in America and denying it to the Israelis! Got it! So
That israel will becaome a farce! Not a Jewish state anymore other than in Name, Therefore a lot of old theories as of why Jews need a state will fall wayside.
Belz and other cheredim know, feel, and fear all these new developments, exactly the plot as Satmar ruv! Warned, and they the frum have no choice (which many others besides belz are doing) But to warm up to Satmar which has some worldwide name recognition political clout and organization with a sense of purpose other than just monetarily! And the Cheridim from the Diaspora as a whole Worldwide will organize monetarily and politically, and be supportive of their damming plight in Israel, That’s what’s really happening behind the scenes.
If your storyline is true then Satmar/Extremists are trying to force the issue themselves by stirring up the masses with their crazy behavior.
It's not some kind of Prophecy from RYT, it's an act of desperation.
That's how you sound like DoLittle.
His Rome like holy iconic displays in synagogue and eating style supers!
His centralized Hollywood star figure in betted in all his one line statements and arrangements.
His knowledge of Neo Roman architectural eclectic taste with rococo, gothic, and other classical court yards, and styles
Indeed very unconventional but not very original.
DotL 3:03, "an act of desperation."
That's how you sound like DoLittle.
Just keep your 24 hour vigil here and stay away from the real world.
Thanks
אין סאקמיר האט דער רבי זי"ע געפאדערט דעם עולם צו לערנען לכבוד פסח גבורות השם פונעם מהר"ל, און די תוצאות האבן נישט געשפעטיגט: היינט פרעסט מען אין סאטמאר בריש גלי די אריזאנא מצות! רח"ל
כידוע פלעגן אלע משכילים פילעווען אין ספרי מהר"ל. דער גולם פון פראג איז געווארן א משכיל ווען ער האט זיך אנגעליינט ביים מהר"ל אין שטוב. און מ'זאגט אז דער גולם'ס אייניקלעך האבן זיך שפעטער געטויפט. איז דען שמד א חידוש אויב ס'איז ספרי מהר"ל נושרין מחיקו????
טראסקעט ארויס אלע ספרי מהר"ל איבער די גאסן פון וויליאמסבורג. טויט פאר השכלה!!!
כ'ל ב'איה ל'א י'שובון!!!!
Nan in nantik in shpitul
Ain yur shvimn pul
Only satmer can make gramn like this
(see cartoon)
"The only hold back was from the mass protesting from overseas!"
is that a known fact, of DerYid or Der blatt?
Did Ben Gurion write this in his memoirs? or you found this fact his private diary?
" He wanted a separate kehile, shchite, moisdes, newspaper, hechsher"
if this was his goal of his life he is a AAA loser.
His newspaper is a failure, never got traction, Hamevaser got traction after a month, what he could not get in 3 decades.
His Hecsher is lower then Yoke/Kenig hechsher,
Hazois Belz asher umarni Betziloi ....???
"SR was against an התאחדות הקהילותhere in America as in Europe! he settled for an התאחדות הרבנים not קהילות so when the rabunim are gone there is no more התאחדות exactly as was intended! of course when a new generation decides it can have a new התאחדות הרבנים "a meeting of minds" , which can still happen when the dust settles."
your pilpul is like a Brisker 2 dinim style pilpul, which Satmar Ruv was against,...
It is simple, he did not like Ichud Kehilas where he will not be the Emperpor.. the rest is for Kelblech like you to give a biur
א דאנק
Oh consumers want an actual hechsher...
You forgot to make that word BOLD!!!
!!!
Lol
I, chas vesholem did not talk against the Yoke Ruv, he is a talmid chochem a charif, and a much bigger yiras Shomain then the Nirbarter and his brother the Valover.
But I just stated a fact, that his hashgacha is a failure.
"Oh consumers want an actual hechsher..."
Who decides?
דרך ארץ
אפשר איז דער מוזשאיער עלטער
Do you not see the difference???
Why did you ever say something so utterly stupid!
I'm not defending him nor do I know him. Just keep the context in focus.
menashe Fulop does!!!
What lie are you referring to?
Not that I care
too numerous to mention
Good night
TBC tomorrow IYH
“אין סאקמיר האט דער רבי זי"ע געפאדערט דעם עולם צו לערנען לכבוד פסח גבורות השם פונעם מהר"ל”
True,but only לכבוד פסח for year round he asked to learn: באמ"ח, סש"ש, יושר ד"א, חו"הלבבות, (אוהב ישראל, נו"א ) (ליקוטי מהר"ן , ספר התניא) Also: יחזקאל פרק לד, הוי רועי ישראל אשר היו רועים אותם הלוא הצאן
“כידוע פלעגן אלע משכילים פילעווען אין ספרי מהר"ל”
למיימינים בה - סמא דחיי- למשמאילים בה - סמא דמותא (btw, I would say satmar should learn more ספרי מהר"ל year round) להתרגלם, בדע מה שתשוב!...
“כידוע פלעגן אלע משכילים פילעווען אין ספרי מהר"ל -------- ”
Sarcasm is a form of hidden anger, I wonder what angers you? What’s your agenda? You don’t seem to be a belzer, I only wanted to bring business for the מדפיסי of the ספרי מהר"ל they can focus their sales now on belz.
Put my comments in context and in focus.
דער רמבּ"ם זאגט מקען צייגען אז ממעג - ח"ו - דונען די ע"ז סשטייט דאך אין די תורה: ועבדתם אלהים אחרים
“כ'ל ב'איה ל'א י'שובון” ספרי מהר"ל ?
כל ליצנותא איסורא בר ליצונתא דע״א
Have A Nice Day!
Because than he will have to do a mechila job like belz! Ouch it’s to painful!
צענדליגע טויזענטער אידישע קינדער זענען געהאדעוועט געווארען אויף זיינע נאשעריי
And millions are געהאדעוועט on ‘OU d’ Cholev akim, and שחיטות from קלים with all kind of היתירים לקולא
כל מה שיאמר לך בעל הבית עשה חוץ מצא
פירושים יותרים, וד"ב עכשיו
Oh no not another one! משיח בן יוסף? or משיח בן דוד ?
Shame on you.
What a white Lie, he never said only pesach..
Stop already
Do u have a letter from the Satmar Ruv stating which seforim, its all Nussen Yossef a pathalogical liar even in the Satmar world, and from mthere to Gelbmans fabrications
check out his statements on Mechel Lebowitz, ask any Sands street talmid.. on Nusen Yossefs lies
n
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this hidabroot pamphlet is very reckless...over the cliff..
You read all of them? and you thing you're normal? don't panic you're in the right place.
"Belz needs to ask מחילה from dayan gabad r y weiss זצל who was persolloly terrorized עד למאד."
whoever knew the real Rav Wiess, would know that his real terrorists were from within
Rav Wiess was no terrorist and no Kanoi whatsoever, he made peace with Belz, till the hooligans of Willi to back off, so dont get him in this picture.
He was the most anti Kanoi ruv, you could find.
אץ קוצץ. בן קוצץ
פץ לא זו הדרך. כנחש עלי דרך. שלח יד בחמוקי ירך
המעמך תשלמנה כי ממאסת כי אתה תבחר ולא אני???